Diskusija:Tuarons (mitoloģija)
Izskatās pēc mistifikācijas
[labot pirmkodu]Norādītajās saitēs nav nekā par šādu Tuaronu, starp Eosas dēliem tāds citās Vikipēdijās nav atzīmēts Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 08.35 (EEST)
- jā, nu neizskatās labi. ja ne uzreiz dzēst, tad kāda veidne lapas augšā nenāktu par sliktu Edgars2007 (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 10.49 (EEST)
- I agree that the sources of information are not enough and should be supplemented, because there is more information in library materials than in electronic publications. The mythology of the Greek gods is not always described in one source. When I researched the fist fights where Tuaron's son Tisandre (Τίσανδρος, Kleokrīta jeb Tisandra, bija sengrieķu atlēts) was "Antīkās olimpiskās spēles", I explored many aspects of the story and his origin and family tree. But you can only find and recognize the Tisander family tree if you are interested in Olympus fights and fist fights in particular. Although in Diodorus' version the father of Tisander was Jason, but in another version the daughter of Salmoneus this Tura and so they are often confused and exclude Tuaron as extramarital relations of the goddess Eos with Ares. Intelcub (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 15.01 (EEST)
- It's not a reason for using of false links in absence of real. -- Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 16.16 (EEST)
- By the way, name specifically which page in the book Ривкин Б. В долине Алфея. Москва, 1969. Tuaron is named as a god, "kas palīdz radošām būtnēm, apvelta cilvēkus ar dažādiem talantiem un harizmu un rīko svinības Olimpā". -- Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 16.45 (EEST)
- This source (the book Ривкин Б. В долине Алфея. Москва, 1969) was cited in the articles I used to research and write the material:
- * Рунг Эдуард Валерьевич Пребывание греческих послов в Ахеменидской державе // Учен. зап. Казан. ун-та. Сер. Гуманит. науки. 2006. №4.
- * Шевцова Екатерина Владимировна Небольшое синтаксическое наблюдение над изложением Пиндаром мифа об Иксионе (Py. II, 34-7) // Индоевропейское языкознание и классическая филология. 2008.
- * Булычева Елена Владимировна Организация и финансирование праздников Афродиты в Афинах и Северном Причерноморье в V-IV вв. До Н. Э // Вестник РГГУ. Серия: Литературоведение. Языкознание. Культурология. 2016. №11 (20).
- In particular in this edition they give the pedigrees of several Tisander (Ancient Greek: Τίσανδρος) or Tisandrus (Ancient Greek: Τίσανδρον) and describe the origin of the different family trees, but point out that there is confusion about the different trees. At least four heroes with this name are described by history. At the time of writing, sources indicated at least three Tisandras with different pedigrees from Tisander, son of Túaron. In Greek, a textile material was named after this ancient Greek hero (tουαρόν).A group of polyamide materials - αραμίδιο, τουαρόν, and κέβλαρ - are named after these heroes. The Greek spelling of the hero is (tουαρόν) but the Latin transliteration may differ. Since the name Tisander (Ancient Greek: Τίσανδρος) or Tisandrus (Ancient Greek: Τίσανδρον), you write in the Greek and Latin alphabets in different ways and are pronounced differently, with many heroes of ancient Greece confusion comes out. So there is Tisander who is the son of Jason, and there is Tisander who is the son of Tuaron, Tisander the son of Isagoras. They're different heroes.
- * Античная Греция. Механизмы политической жизни (Opuscula selecta III). ISBN:9785044661974, 504466197X. Дата публикации: 23 сентября 2022 г. Издатель:ЛитРес. Язык:Русский. Автор:Игорь Суриков
- * Остракизм в Афинах. Авторы: Игорь Суриков · 2017. 67 стр.. 5 сентября 2017 г. Издатель:ЛитРес. Автор:Игорь Суриков
- * Surikov, I. E., Marinovich, L. P. (2006). Остракизм в Афинах. Россия: Языки славянских культур. (Стр 71, 72, 549) (3) Афины на пути к демократии. VIII–V века до н.э.. (2021). Россия: ЛитРес.
- Of course more information can only be found in German and Greek literature, but it is not always available in the library or online.
- * Fragment 38 bei Jeffrey S. Rusten: Dionysius Scytobrachion (= Papyrologica Coloniensia. 10). Opladen 1982.
- * Diodor, Bibliotheke historike
- For writing my materials I use not only electronic publications, but also visit libraries, use various historical references and communicate with historians. This material was part of a scientific work done quite a long time ago and checked by supervisors. Now history is less interesting to me and I am not interested in this subject as I used to be. I have done enough research work on it in my time and I am not ready to spend time studying it again. I agree that the sources of information should be updated due to the amount of time that has passed. If you find the material not interesting or insufficient you can send it with a note for revision. Thank you for giving this article your time. Any decision you make is at your discretion.
Intelcub (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 23.59 (EEST)- Shortly - all links are false, text has no verifiability and does not inspire confidence due to fakes. -- Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 30. jūlijs, plkst. 00.57 (EEST)
- Кстати, я посмотрел на Флибусте "Остракизм в Афинах". Опять враньё - там есть три Тисандра, и ни один не сын Туарона. -- Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 30. jūlijs, plkst. 01.04 (EEST)
- Остракизм в Афинах. Игорь Суриков. 2017. Там верно, только три и нет упоминания. Но Античная Греция. Механизмы политической жизни (Opuscula selecta III). Игорь Суриков. 2022,- там во всей книге только два. Еще в другом издании их четыре. Материал был написан и изучен давно, не все источники использованы мной тогда я могу восстановить сейчас. Работа была сдана, изучена, описана, защищена и принята. Как сказал выше, не претендую на долгую дискуссию и обсуждение, тема истории мне уже не интересна. Решение о статье на усмотрение администраторов. Intelcub (diskusija) 2023. gada 30. jūlijs, plkst. 01.34 (EEST)
- I agree that the sources of information are not enough and should be supplemented, because there is more information in library materials than in electronic publications. The mythology of the Greek gods is not always described in one source. When I researched the fist fights where Tuaron's son Tisandre (Τίσανδρος, Kleokrīta jeb Tisandra, bija sengrieķu atlēts) was "Antīkās olimpiskās spēles", I explored many aspects of the story and his origin and family tree. But you can only find and recognize the Tisander family tree if you are interested in Olympus fights and fist fights in particular. Although in Diodorus' version the father of Tisander was Jason, but in another version the daughter of Salmoneus this Tura and so they are often confused and exclude Tuaron as extramarital relations of the goddess Eos with Ares. Intelcub (diskusija) 2023. gada 29. jūlijs, plkst. 15.01 (EEST)
„Klasiskā skatījumā” Eosai un Arejam nebija bērnu: „Eos, The goddess of the dawn with whom Ares had a brief love affair. She was cursed with a rampant sexuality by the jealous Aphrodite. No offspring are mentioned of this pair.” [1]; „Eos as also named as a lover of Ares, the Greek god of War, and although this relationship did not produce any children, it did cause the goddess Aphrodite to become extremely jealous.” [2]. Attēli arī tādi aizdomīgi – neskaidras izcelsmes, Vikikrātuvē ļoti skopi aprakstīti. Vai tik te nebūs kāda saistība ar firmu „Tuaron”? --Obivan Kenobi (diskusija) 2023. gada 30. jūlijs, plkst. 08.48 (EEST)
- Saistība ir, tā netiek slēpta un šis interešu konflikts ir vismazākā problēma ar rakstu, kurš izskatās vienkārši izzīsts no pirksta. -- Egilus (diskusija) 2023. gada 30. jūlijs, plkst. 15.45 (EEST)