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cɛstoː

No kurienes informācija par šādu izrunu? --Kikos 09:08, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't speak Latvian. In Dutch the letter combination tj stands for the [c] sound. There are lots of examples of words with this letter combination/sound in the Uitspraakwoordenboek (The pronunciation dictionary) by Josée Heemskerk and Wim Zonneveld, ISBN 90 274 4482X. Cl 09:59, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

AFAIK this combination stands for [tʲ] sound. See nl:Klankinventaris van het Nederlands. [c] phoneme in Dutch not exist. --Kikos 10:17, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid you can't use AFAIK as a reliable source. Strictly speaking, Wikipedia page you're referring to isn't a reliable source, either. Besides, nl:Klankinventaris van het Nederlands deals with the Dutch phoneme set and the [c] sound isn't mentioned there because the Dutch [c] isn't a phoneme. It occurs as the allophone of the [t] sound before the letter j (like in beetje) the non-syllabic i (like in Tiësto, for that matter). The Uitspraakwoordenboek I've mentioned (which IS a reliable source, by the way) clearly lists the [c] sound in the Dutch sound list and uses the [c] sign consequently for the transcription purposes.

In your transcription Tiësto occurs as a three-syllable word [ti.ɛs.toː] while here in The Netherlands it's pronounced as a two-syllable word [cɛs.toː]. And even if it were to be pronounced in three syllables, it would have the additional [j] sound after the [i]: [ti.jɛs.toː] due to the Dutch pronunciation peculiarities.

The stubbornness you keep reverting my alterations with is surprising, groundless and worth serving a better purpose. Cl 12:40, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

This explanation should be placed there before You first time reverted Your edit. Accepted. --Kikos 12:49, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

OK. Could you be so kind to restore the correct transcription on the respective English Wikipedia page please? I have no account in English Wikipedia, since my login name there is taken. Without an account I can't change that page for some reason. Thanks in advance. Cl 12:59, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)

"Some reason" is semiprotection. Done. BTW, can You give any online source about this allophone to include it in Nīderlandiešu īpašvārdu atveidošana? (do not make edits in this article without discussion!) --Kikos 13:47, 23 novembrī, 2011 (UTC)